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Post by Mike Harding on Jun 29, 2024 14:31:32 GMT 10
I am a strong supporter of euthanasia and have already made plans for myself - I have no desire to hold out for every last day possible. The following article is hard to read and brought tears to my eyes but I so admire this couple for their courage: "Dying together: Why a happily married couple decided to stop living" BBC article
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Post by yobarr on Jun 29, 2024 19:24:12 GMT 10
I am a strong supporter of euthanasia and have already made plans for myself - I have no desire to hold out for every last day possible. The following article is hard to read and brought tears to my eyes but I so admire this couple for their courage: "Dying together: Why a happily married couple decided to stop living" BBC article
Great post Mike. Like you, I am a great believer in being able to choose when and how I die. Many years ago my mother was Head Honcho at a geriatric hospital where people were dumped, by their families, supposedly to "live" their final years. Many of the residents were little more than zombies, having to be spoon-fed, bathed, dressed, unable to wipe their own Rs, and not wanting an extended life. Regularly, their only visitors were family at Xmas time, when there was standing room only in the hospital, and often the residents (patients) had no idea who their visitors were, or what all the fuss was about. These "people" were not living, but merely existing, and simply wanted their lives to end. But, as always, their fate was determined by allegedly "qualified" outsiders with no bloody idea. Again, SAD.
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Post by arewelost on Jun 29, 2024 21:50:50 GMT 10
Thanks for the link Mike. A sad story indeed. I wonder if our laws would allow that, or force the couple to wait longer. I don't know if pain is an acceptable reason, but if not, it should be.
Yobarr, my mother was on the other end of that geriatric hospital life, due to Alzheimers. My father was quite capable and they tried moving to a retirement village where he could get help and respite. Unfortunately, the move made her worse and she became uncontrollable, so she had to be moved to the attached nursing home. I remember visiting there and regularly getting a very wet kiss from her, as she believed I was her husband. If I went out of the room and came back, my previous presence would not be remembered, and I would get another kiss. A year later and even that stopped. I think it was about 6 years from realising that something was definitely wrong to her passing away.
At that point my father was hating the retirement village and I am sure he would have chosen the path to end his life had that been available then.
A year or so ago, a friend from school who I later chose as my best man, passed away (assisted) after a long illness with motor neuron disease. He had been wheelchair bound for about 8 years and unable to speak coherently for the last 5 years, but with no loss of mental acuity. He was still able to communicate via an iPad with pointer in his mouth. That was extremely tedious, sometimes taking a minute or two for each letter as it got worse. For the last two years he did not even have that.
He wanted to end his life and had written his wishes while he was still capable, but approval was not granted for a long time. By that time he needed assisted breathing and his eyes were all he had left that he could control. So, blinking was all he could do to confirm to the doctors that he was ready to die. His wife was a legend, looking after him at home all that time.
This thread has prompted me that I should make plans. The thought of having a stroke or accident and wasting away with brain still functioning but unable to communicate is appalling, let alone the impact on family.
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Post by al42 on Jun 30, 2024 20:35:11 GMT 10
Had to smile when I looked at the General Discussion and saw the Last Post about "ending our lives" and this came up. postimg.cc/3W0mBDyjI suppose being of the Atheist Religion,you are lost.
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Post by al42 on Jun 30, 2024 20:39:39 GMT 10
P.S. I did add the word "The"
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Post by Mike Harding on Jul 1, 2024 7:37:14 GMT 10
I suppose being of the Atheist Religion,you are lost. Not at all - I know exactly where I am and have no need of religion to provide support. Coming to terms with death and oblivion is one of the major factors on the road to personal maturity it seems to me.
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Post by magnarc on Jul 1, 2024 8:46:18 GMT 10
I suppose being of the Atheist Religion,you are lost. Not at all - I know exactly where I am and have no need of religion to provide support. Coming to terms with death and oblivion is one of the major factors on the road to personal maturity it seems to me. al42, religion is a scourge on mankind. It has been the cause of millions of peoples deaths over countless years and is still doing so.
FYI, Atheism is a belief, not a religion and one which anyone with a scintilla of intelligence, would acknowledge makes more sense than the rubbish spouted by the clergy of all denominations in order to protect their cosseted position in society.
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Post by arewelost on Jul 1, 2024 9:28:45 GMT 10
Edit: The quote is actually from Magnarc. Cutting bits sometimes goes wrong. (Atheism) .... makes more sense than the rubbish spouted by the clergy of all denominations in order to protect their cosseted position in society. ..... and mostly designed as a scare tactic to keep people toeing the line. If you do bad things you go to hell .... yet that seems to conflict with the concept that all you need to do is beg forgiveness and all will be OK.
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Post by Mike Harding on Jul 1, 2024 15:41:09 GMT 10
.>yet that seems to conflict with the concept that all you need to do is beg forgiveness and all will be OK. ---- I feel the need to add clarification to the above statement, as I so often do when devine forgiveness is discussed :) I was raised a Catholic. for which I am grateful, but rejected the whole concept of religion as a young man. Catholicism embraces the concept of confession as a fundamental aspect of the faith but we were taught, in no uncertain terms, that one needs to be truely repentant of the sins for which one is asking forgiveness. There is no easy road because, as one would expect with an omnipotent god, such a being is not easily fooled. It seems to me confession is one of the really positive aspects of catholicism for it provides an avenue to people who have done wrong ("Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.") to find peace in their soul (mind?) but *only* if their repentance is true and that is something every individual knows in his heart. Religion has been the cause of much bad but it has also produced much good and is a powerful and necessary psychological support to many. It is sometimes said that it is not religion which is the problem but rather the church organisation (of all faiths) which man creates and I have some sympathy with that view. A lovely quote I heard Cat Stevens utter "I discovered Islam before I discovered Moslems." :)
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Post by al42 on Jul 1, 2024 18:52:59 GMT 10
Mike here is another cat Stevens utterance you might like.
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Post by Mike Harding on Jul 2, 2024 9:00:34 GMT 10
Mike here is another cat Stevens utterance you might like. It's a very short utterance....
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Post by magnarc on Jul 2, 2024 13:51:38 GMT 10
.>yet that seems to conflict with the concept that all you need to do is beg forgiveness and all will be OK. I feel the need to add clarification to the above statement, as I so often do when devine forgiveness is discussed I was raised a Catholic. for which I am grateful, but rejected the whole concept of religion as a young man. Catholicism embraces the concept of confession as a fundamental aspect of the faith but we were taught, in no uncertain terms, that one needs to be truely repentant of the sins for which one is asking forgiveness. There is no easy road because, as one would expect with an omnipotent god, such a being is not easily fooled. It seems to me confession is one of the really positive aspects of catholicism for it provides an avenue to people who have done wrong ("Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.") to find peace in their soul (mind?) but *only* if their repentance is true and that is something every individual knows in his heart. Religion has been the cause of much bad but it has also produced much good and is a powerful and necessary psychological support to many. It is sometimes said that it is not religion which is the problem but rather the church organisation (of all faiths) which man creates and I have some sympathy with that view. A lovely quote I heard Cat Stevens utter "I discovered Islam before I discovered Moslems." Yes Mike I can see where you are coming from. When we are opposed to the subject we often don't see the other side, but I have to point out that,imho the damage done over countless year far out weighs the good deeds. You make a valid point with regard to the way the various religions are twisted to suit the principles of those administering them. This is almost always to the detriment of those that follow unfortunately.As usual I respect your and others, views. I guess that we will just differ on this one!
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Post by pete on Jul 2, 2024 20:30:09 GMT 10
As usual I respect your and others, views. I guess that we will just differ on this one! Having posts like this make this a great place to be. Thanks magnarc.
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